Elzon1 - Posted on Feb 5, 2010

"No money" What does Peter mean by "money"? And I hope he doesn't mean: Money- the most common medium of exchange. If he means that and will not allow any deviation, then I might as well leave the movement right now.... cause you just hit a brick wall. If he means money as the exchange of paper, sea shells, or gold coins then thats fine... such things aren't neccesary at all. If he means today's monetary system EVEN BETTER! No one likes today's system :P

Elzon1 - Posted on Feb 5, 2010

NO ONE SAID WE COULDN'T MAKE A NEW MONETARY SYSTEM..... AND I INTEND TOO!!!! It seems Peter has replaced something he THOUGHT was impossible with somthing that IS impossible. And yes no private property IS COMMUNISM!!!! Communism- a form of socialism that ABOLISHES PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.

Elzon1 - Posted on Feb 5, 2010

And no tesla wanted TRANSMIT energy across the enitre globe. J.P. Morgan asked if there was a way to meter it (back then) and Tesla said no and therefore shutdown the project. We can meter it today, however we have discovered that it isn't efficient enough to transmit the energy through the air. And once again no, Tesla tried to bounce energy off the ionosphere to other locations on the earth. However, it doesn't seem his calculations were good enough to be accurate for energy transmition.

wamplersdl - Posted on Feb 5, 2010

@ Elzon1 I encourage you to become more familiar with the tenants of the movement. You seem to lack a clear understanding of why it is that we advocate such things as the abolishment of money and property. In brief, it is not for the purpose of changing the world by the means of abolishment. Rather the opposite, we seek to change the world such that money and property are obsolete ideas. If you don't understand this, then that is why I encourage you to become better informed. I hope that you do

HailRasec - Posted on Feb 5, 2010

1) He refers to 'money' as the medium or tool of a system based on supply and demand of resources, which at present is hindering the development and implementation of technology and aggravating states of artificial scarcity. 2) 'Property' in the sense of a psychological empowerment and security will of course maintain itself in the beginning. As time progresses, and resources become abundant, the tenancy of resource hoarding will be weed out.

CristianKirk - Posted on Feb 5, 2010

@wamplersdl: Well said man. Cheers.

drmihailo - Posted on Feb 5, 2010

Could you also add on this video tags "Nikola Tesla" to this video? because Peter is talking about him in 2:52... thank u

Firestorm12345678910 - Posted on Feb 5, 2010

Yeah speaking of money and labor... What is the point of having a Lottery? If you get lucky and win millions of dollars all you had to do is expand a very little amount of energy by guessing a few numbers. And by an instant your life "changes". That's some insane sh*t right there. So how about if everybody wins a million dollars (or to put it simply a lot of money) every day?

Elzon1 - Posted on Feb 5, 2010

1) The old (as well as today's) monetary systems created such artificial scarcity. Why don't we put our collective heads together and come up with a completely new system that prevents the artificial scarcity problem as well as provide for a bustling economy. 2) Very few people I know have the resource hoarding tendency so if we create abundance this will indeed rapidly dissipate. Industry will shift from a product industry to a service industry :P

ErikKiliam - Posted on Feb 5, 2010

Dont be quick with throwing around isms without a good reason and knowing what your talking about.

deanjdk - Posted on Feb 6, 2010

i dont think you have a full understanding of what the zeitgeist movement proposes

wamplersdl - Posted on Feb 20, 2010

You in your #1 point, you basically just restated what TZM advocates. Maybe you don't even realize that? Yet you seem to be stuck in the frame of reference that "money" as a tool is somehow inherently good, or better than the absence of such a tool. Why do you proport to disagree when you seem to actually agree you just don't like the way it's being said? I don't get it. Become more informed and you will have a better understanding of these things.

Elzon1 - Posted on Feb 21, 2010

@wamplersdl Well, with an economy you need trade. When you have trade money is the more efficient means of doing so compared to barter. And yes, a useful tool is always better than the absence of it. Unless we have the ability to produce everything we want or need without needing anyone else (and by that I mean you must be able to produce completely by yourself, no help from others) then maybe you might be able to get by without money, but we aren't currently capable of that.

Elzon1 - Posted on Feb 21, 2010

@wamplersdl Yes, some of the things he is saying in the video he doesn't actually mean (he goes into more detail on the website). And yes I am well informed in the movement, I go to the website often and read most of the new posts and read some of the comments (but I don't have time for all of them unfortunately). I do have the movie Future by Design as well, so am getting it right from the horse's mouth (as well as watching and listening to most video/audio from Jacque and Peter).

Elzon1 - Posted on Feb 21, 2010

@wamplersdl One more point. We obviously can't use today's monetary system to support such an economy (its not possible) but we can always create a new monetary system that will let us create such a society much easier than anticipated. Most people in the movement know that there is going to have to be a transitionary system we will have to use to get at what we are really aiming for. We just need to draw up an actual system for people to see and we should get more support than now.

Elzon1 - Posted on Feb 21, 2010

@wamplersdl The current problem with the movement is that we don't actually have system to show people what we mean. If you were to go on the website you would see that people are trying to figure out how we could get this to work (even the oldest of the members) and are trying to figure out ways of getting it done. Right now we are just spinning our wheels without getting anywhere. We need to be focusing on the transition period as well as to SHOW people what we are saying.

wamplersdl - Posted on Feb 21, 2010

Forgive me if I am picking on your words without truly knowing your meaning. "well, with an economy you need trade" However, this is incorrect. You only need trade or exchange in a market economy. There is a difference. Understand "Economy" is simply how resources are used and distributed. It does not imply any method such as the use of money, or barter or any form of exchange. This is human ideas projected onto it. Those ideas you are projecting hold no relevance to people needs.

wamplersdl - Posted on Feb 21, 2010

We cannot use any monetary system, because the use of any medium/ tool that represents value is flawed. The use of any such tool encourages the profit motive, differential advantage, deceit, and you are simply left with all the same problems we currently have in our monetary system. However you do have a valid point that there must be a transitional system. But this does not represent the end goal or solution.

wamplersdl - Posted on Feb 21, 2010

Yes focus upon transition is imperative. However, spinning our wheels we are not. The movement recognizes that education and critical mass awareness is the first step of the transition.There is the need to begin to change the values of society before actions may be taken. There are those within the movement who don't realize this yet, such as yourself it seems. Yes examples are powerful, but information and awareness is the first step in the transition, and that is what we are doing.

ThaGMan51 - Posted on Mar 7, 2010

So the Zeitgeist Movement's goal is pure communism. Good luck with that.

killlies - Posted on Mar 14, 2010

the zeitgeist movement is closer to anarchism because their will be no leaders or laws. under communism property is owned by the state. A resource based economy has no owners.

ThaGMan51 - Posted on Mar 14, 2010

Under communism property is initially owned by the state. The end goal is a stateless society.

83Pindi - Posted on Mar 15, 2010

ur an idiot, just because he stands for true freedom and against greed and corruption does not make him for communism, ur mind is black and white, good and bad. just works in paradigms .. the world is not black and white there are shades in between.

83Pindi - Posted on Mar 15, 2010

we already live in a communistic and fascist system , why do we pay taxes... thats a socialist act right there, if you are against socialism stop paying your taxes... ur paradigmatic mind missed that now didnt it

tulio84z - Posted on Mar 17, 2010

The sound in this videos is very low! Makes it hard to understand for me since im not an native english speaker.